tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post6863733966210761806..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: When Everyone DisagreesJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-59958054505430723972010-04-28T12:27:05.009-05:002010-04-28T12:27:05.009-05:00I don't think a jury is a good example here. J...I don't think a jury is a good example here. Juries are regularly formed through an exclusionary process whereby lawyers vet jury candidates for beliefs that disqualify them from judgement. e.g. if you do not believe in the death penalty you cannot sit on a jury that is deciding on a death penalty. <br /><br />Even in cases where juries decide on matters of evidence or fulfillment of Fausthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221763658202924449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-16921713132336747752010-04-28T11:06:24.375-05:002010-04-28T11:06:24.375-05:00I would not adopt an "explain or conform&quo...I would not adopt an "explain or conform" position. Just because a super majority conforms unthinkingly to the traditional viewpoint of their culture does not give that viewpoint any additional weight. I can't see any reason to seriously consider a belief just because it is the majority belief. If I cannot adequately explain why my deviant view is superior then it makes more Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06399341362068645241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-41744577146642752032010-04-28T10:18:39.594-05:002010-04-28T10:18:39.594-05:00Have you ever been on a jury? Was your goal reall...Have you ever been on a jury? Was your goal really just to get everyone to agree? Surely not--you wanted to know who done it. <br /><br />Same if you're on a hike and you and your friends disagree about whether the thing off in the distance is a grizzly bear. You want the facts, not just agreement. The question is what weight to give to disagreement, given the goal of discovering the Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-40735734441225189262010-04-28T10:10:51.791-05:002010-04-28T10:10:51.791-05:00"the goal is clearly to respond to disagreeme..."the goal is clearly to respond to disagreement in the way most likely to get us <b><i>back into agreement</i></b>."<br /><br />Fixed.Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-86830023017785087322010-04-28T10:05:44.052-05:002010-04-28T10:05:44.052-05:00It seems like the herd has more taboos, more &quo...It seems like the herd has more taboos, more "no go" areas about thinking than we free spirits. <br />Thus, the average person can be relied on to decide whether someone is guilty, but they cannot be relied on to reason about the existence of God or about the power relations within their own family or about the food that they eat. The average person ropes off more zones in where s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-8425225665475927892010-04-28T09:49:07.972-05:002010-04-28T09:49:07.972-05:00Sorry, I've been busy, so I've been readin...Sorry, I've been busy, so I've been reading and enjoying the comments, but not responding. When someone puts "Jesus" next to "Gary Francione" I have to say something...<br /><br />Actually, not about that. In the literature about disagreement, there's a clever move where the subject is changed from hard questions (is there a god? is there free will? is it ok to Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-14677365593911347232010-04-28T09:23:22.765-05:002010-04-28T09:23:22.765-05:00It all makes a lot more sense when you stop thinki...It all makes a lot more sense when you stop thinking that norms get at something true about the world. They are non-cognitive, non-inferential presuppositions that code subsequent action. They exist prior to the enterprise of analysis. They undercut "intelligence." As Rorty said, "Prescription preceeds description." <br /><br />When you take a "heroic" position you Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-89612743484927956002010-04-28T08:39:24.411-05:002010-04-28T08:39:24.411-05:00I can understand why a super-smart person would ea...I can understand why a super-smart person would eat animals (there are different types of intelligence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences -- I would add evil geniuses) however it's more difficult to understand how a super-smart person can truly believe in God. <br /><br />I'm an agnostic vegetarian, which I dare say puts me somewhere in the smarter than average Melhttp://www.vegetarianwoman.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-42832533140535252462010-04-27T14:46:32.910-05:002010-04-27T14:46:32.910-05:00Hmm.. I think it might be helpful if we change wh...Hmm.. I think it might be helpful if we change what we're talking about slightly. Since the majority of people believe our of habit or conformity, not because of good justification or reason, we should simply dismiss those.<br /><br />In those scenarios, I think the correct position is to explain or conform. In the mass populace scenario, I think the correct position is the heroic view.Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627147979307495870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-42361496685102313382010-04-27T12:18:59.807-05:002010-04-27T12:18:59.807-05:00What about coupling your "explain" optio...What about coupling your "explain" option with an appeal to the normal distribution of cognitive pre-dispositions? Perhaps you believe not-X because you fall in the second (or third, or whatever) standard deviation at one end of cognitive dispositions. Your "fantastic arguments" fall on deaf ears among the majority, not because they are not "fantastic," but because TDFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10407376891848594537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-75698775322245904192010-04-27T10:57:09.460-05:002010-04-27T10:57:09.460-05:00If one is brought up as a Jew, as I was (and I bel...If one is brought up as a Jew, as I was (and I believe you were), then one was raised to see as normal being 3% or less of the population with regard to beliefs or opinions. Not that I ever accepted Judaism as a faith, but I certainly did accept, as a child, that it was normal for me to be in a minority.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.com