tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post6508925298134924749..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: It's Not about the New Atheism*Jean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-72629159612767383452010-07-19T05:17:10.861-05:002010-07-19T05:17:10.861-05:00Try reading Alister McGrath's 'the Dawkins...Try reading Alister McGrath's 'the Dawkins Delusion' and then see if you still want to set up an altar TO Dawkins or one FOR Dawkins!RWD Coupehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07918372772120021687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-50425005662326038222010-07-12T21:23:43.334-05:002010-07-12T21:23:43.334-05:00They ought to have a girl scout merit badge in Tom...They ought to have a girl scout merit badge in Tom Johnsonology. It takes hard work and perseverance to master the whole story.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-52775622119979108352010-07-12T19:26:44.023-05:002010-07-12T19:26:44.023-05:00Oh I know you were just responding to what Ophelia...Oh I know you were just responding to what Ophelia brought up, I was just noting that once you took ANY position on it that was direct and quotable, then, as you say, the cat was out of the bag. That's particularly true given the additional backstory, of which I hadn't been aware. But then, there is only so much of this storyline that I can digest before needing a stiff drink. Martini?Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-17203152113769572462010-07-12T17:31:41.433-05:002010-07-12T17:31:41.433-05:00Faust, The banning issue didn't come up just ...Faust, The banning issue didn't come up just because I mentioned it!<br /><br />Ophelia brought it up at the beginning of the thread. She had been talking about it for 2 days at B&W. To her, the Tom Johnson affair meant that Chris Mooney owed her, personally, an apology. She asserts the connection here (July 7)--<br /><br />http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2010/exposed/<br /><br />Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-12304292725149469622010-07-12T15:30:12.370-05:002010-07-12T15:30:12.370-05:00I think some of the discomfort comes from the mere...I think some of the discomfort comes from the mere vouching for someone, who you disagree with. When I say I would vouch someone, I'm endorsing them as a person. So if I vouch for X, and my friends spend some time with X, and X tells some offensive jokes or acts inappropriately, my friends should have reason to be mad at me, since I vouched for him.<br /><br />Thats a normal context anywaysWaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627147979307495870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-46117600789650610372010-07-12T14:17:42.528-05:002010-07-12T14:17:42.528-05:00Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Both involve ...Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Both involve defamation of character.<br /><br />I will say this about the banning issue. I think it came up because you addressed Ophelia on it directly, and said: <br /><br />"I don't think your banning is a crime for which Chris and Sheril owe you an apology."<br /><br />Once you said that, it was open season within that thread (as far as B&Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-8608931693012607062010-07-12T10:07:42.639-05:002010-07-12T10:07:42.639-05:00I admire you for reading Dante. I tried to read h...I admire you for reading Dante. I tried to read him about a year ago.<br />I had a nice edition with footnotes. I read about him online in preparation for the great task, but in the first or second canto, I got so bored that I couldn't pay attention. Have to work.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-47268103146043609692010-07-12T10:04:00.431-05:002010-07-12T10:04:00.431-05:00Never understood all those legal words. It will s...Never understood all those legal words. It will suffice if they wind up in the lower levels of hell, a la Dante. (Read it while in Italy--some good stuff in there!)<br /><br />This story is insanely complicated. I went out for dinner with some people Saturday night and had to laugh when I thought about what it would be like if I told them the whole story. They would think I'd lost my mind. Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-27549893864788854992010-07-12T09:55:37.075-05:002010-07-12T09:55:37.075-05:00OK, I read it.
Without being able to lay out what...OK, I read it.<br /><br />Without being able to lay out what I know, I can't convince you that my take on things is reasonable and objective, not biased. But by the same token, without your knowing what I know, you are not in a position to say that my take on things comes from bias. <br /><br />Re: the banning issue, which you discuss as well. It's one question whether people have been Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-19766168753778157232010-07-12T09:53:33.993-05:002010-07-12T09:53:33.993-05:00You're welcome. Some of the accusations agai...You're welcome. Some of the accusations against you could be considered libel or slander (I always confuse the two legal terms) under U.K. law. I have a very negative opinion in spiritual <br />(yes, spiritual) and ethical terms of the people who are attacking you, but this is not the moment to air my opinions online. Once again, I have not followed the Mooney wars at all, so I haves. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-39289994747007379352010-07-12T09:34:35.824-05:002010-07-12T09:34:35.824-05:00I don't normally do civilized, but hey, first ...I don't normally do civilized, but hey, first time for anything.<br /><br />I do not think you are liar, but I do think you are allowing your perceptual biases to blind your reasoning. <br /><br />My final take on Mooney's position on this can be seen by clicking my name.Bruce Gortonhttp://blogs.timeslive.co.za/expensive/2010/07/12/reflections-on-some-online-drama/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-24542479173873126772010-07-12T08:30:28.510-05:002010-07-12T08:30:28.510-05:00Amos, Thank you for the last part.Amos, Thank you for the last part.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-41371955736163154992010-07-12T08:08:22.503-05:002010-07-12T08:08:22.503-05:00Yes, Jean, you are defending Mooney out of a con...Yes, Jean, you are defending Mooney out of a concern for fairness, but you are being attacked because Mooney is an accomodationist, not because Mooney appeared to make a mistake about Tom Johnson or whatever he did. If Mooney had a blog about golf, no new atheist would have attacked him or you for defending him. What's more, if Mooney were a new atheist and had appeared to make the s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.com