tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post5343365113993890601..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: The Philosophy of PepperoniJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-56804778859065346332010-04-19T17:21:31.086-05:002010-04-19T17:21:31.086-05:00Denying your desires based on a moral philosphy? S...Denying your desires based on a moral philosphy? Sounds a lot like fundamentalist Christians abstaining from sex until marriage. Did you ever think your desire for meat is an evolutionary one? That your body wants meat in the same way your body wants sex? There is nothing wrong with accpeting your evolutionary heritage... go ahead.. eat that pepperoni baby!pjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448886661858250692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-36934196017332557572010-04-15T09:12:47.274-05:002010-04-15T09:12:47.274-05:00Hmmm....but I think Galef did some speculating abo...Hmmm....but I think Galef did some speculating about the true reason for the friend's refusal. She postulates a heuristic that she was over-following (if I recall...I'm too lazy to read it again.) She could have done a better job of speculating. Anybody on a diet has rules that can seem weird, but make sense in terms of sustainability. For example, suppose she offered the friend a Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-5051319657158025062010-04-14T10:47:13.543-05:002010-04-14T10:47:13.543-05:00Well I think there are plenty of good reasons that...Well I think there are plenty of good reasons that you give here, all of which seem like good justifications. <br /><br />The chief complaint of the linked article is in fact that Galef's friend did not provide ANY justification other than "because I"m a vegetarian." To Galef's ears this rings as unacceptable because what she want are GOOD REASONS. This is her norm, her &Fausthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221763658202924449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-29044010334238566672010-04-14T09:27:50.984-05:002010-04-14T09:27:50.984-05:00Meat doesn't tempt me much, but I'm not i...Meat doesn't tempt me much, but I'm not in a purer than thou competition with anyone. People who find meat irresistable should try to eat as little as possible; they shouldn't torture themselves.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-56270730565481009222010-04-14T09:00:58.385-05:002010-04-14T09:00:58.385-05:00Wayne, We're going to be getting extra credit ...Wayne, We're going to be getting extra credit at the pearly gates because we don't eat meat despite liking it. Many vegetarians I know don't like it much and find it easy to give up.<br /><br />I think the issue here (in a word) is sustainability. Everyone knows that diets are hard to sustain. So if you want to have a low- or no-animal product diet over the long term, you have to Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-10520115604190246642010-04-13T17:12:40.547-05:002010-04-13T17:12:40.547-05:00I think the whole idea behind throwing out the pep...I think the whole idea behind throwing out the pepperoni for myself, is the temptation of eating it, like what Jean says in her post. I personally am an ethical vegetarian, so I'm not particularly adverse to meat... in fact I think its incredibly tasty. Bacon, pepperoni... sausage.... mmmmm. sausage. <br /><br />If I want to maintain my composure and maintain true to my ideals, then it Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627147979307495870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-63172075125107940242010-04-13T13:04:43.405-05:002010-04-13T13:04:43.405-05:00Ed, When I throw out pepperoni (because I'm a ...Ed, When I throw out pepperoni (because I'm a potential pepperoni coveter), I'm keeping myself on track to make the decisions I want to make in the future. So that's good, as far as it goes. On the other hand, you're right that I'm violating a rule that's fairly important in some contexts: "don't waste food." I could be violating other rules too, like &Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-75345511087891486312010-04-13T11:23:02.120-05:002010-04-13T11:23:02.120-05:00On an overnight train ride I once ordered a salad ...On an overnight train ride I once ordered a salad and it came with a big slice of salmon. I asked what they'd do if I sent it back and they said they'd trash it. So I ate it. It seemed wrong that a salmon should die just to pad somebody's trash.<br /><br />In general in this kind of situation I'd consider where I was and who I was with and choose my response accordingly. As anEdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06399341362068645241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-52684767254414852812010-04-13T07:12:35.792-05:002010-04-13T07:12:35.792-05:00Yes, I'm mainly talking about bashing when I c...Yes, I'm mainly talking about bashing when I criticize vegan purism. A vegan purist would be appalled by the fact that this woman ate the pizza at all, considering the residue of pepperoni that was left on top. It's the being appalled that I find bothersome. <br /><br />If someone doesn't want to eat pepperoni or even pepperoni residues, I can understand the rationale behind that. Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-90050529954610624502010-04-12T22:47:00.660-05:002010-04-12T22:47:00.660-05:00I guess this is not the sort of thing you mean whe...I guess this is not the sort of thing you mean when you say vegans shouldn't be purists? I was a bit confused because in your interview with Rhys Southan (where I first learned of your blog), you were critical of vegan purity. But Rhys uses vegan purity to refer to things just like this: vegans who won't eat things that aren't vegan if they'd otherwise go to waste.<br /><br />WhenAdamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06568240389227330702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-1070828484647383772010-04-12T21:50:58.747-05:002010-04-12T21:50:58.747-05:00Omigosh! Why spinal surgery? A chronic condition....Omigosh! Why spinal surgery? A chronic condition...an emergency? I'm glad you're home now with the jurky!Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-22923154860165787612010-04-12T21:31:25.646-05:002010-04-12T21:31:25.646-05:00i had to eat jello in the past few days because i ...i had to eat jello in the past few days because i was in the hospital for spinal surgery. very happy to be home with tofurky jurkyWaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627147979307495870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-68450081331471762002010-04-12T18:35:00.158-05:002010-04-12T18:35:00.158-05:00That depends on the person. I have a lot of self...That depends on the person. I have a lot of self control about food: my weakness is wine. In any case, if a person doesn't have self control about pepperoni, I don't see it as an ethical issue, any more than a lack of self control about using internet.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-85480644208972022172010-04-12T18:17:36.869-05:002010-04-12T18:17:36.869-05:00A little pepperoni eating leads to more pepperoni ...A little pepperoni eating leads to more pepperoni eating, like a little smoking or a little chocolate cake eating leads to more smoking or chocolate cake eating. What does picking a coin off the ground lead to?Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-62883901463326553142010-04-12T16:43:36.736-05:002010-04-12T16:43:36.736-05:00I don't steal, but if I see money on the side...I don't steal, but if I see money on the sidewalk, I keep it. I think that eating the pepperone is like keeping money that I find on the sidewalk.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.com