tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post4037696155213556778..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Is Vegetarianism Losing Ground?Jean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-66438700184935445402010-02-01T15:26:46.112-06:002010-02-01T15:26:46.112-06:00Dander schmander. I was thinking goose gander.Dander schmander. I was thinking goose gander.rtkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565006451158819782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-21329203845982496642010-02-01T14:37:35.166-06:002010-02-01T14:37:35.166-06:00I'm going to say it's "dander"--...I'm going to say it's "dander"--don't you think?<br /><br />Joel Salatin is a guy I can't help but like--no way to avoid it. He's incredibly articulate and a billion times more appealing than the standard issue corporate farm tycoon.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-89815458111524669082010-02-01T06:52:49.187-06:002010-02-01T06:52:49.187-06:00This must get up a lot of gander:
http://www.guard...This must get up a lot of gander:<br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/31/food-industry-environmentrtkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565006451158819782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-54451827281894208542010-01-26T17:45:36.835-06:002010-01-26T17:45:36.835-06:00There's an odd thing about "humane" ...There's an odd thing about "humane" meat that I've found... There are many who turn away from that option too - There's something incredibly wrong about taking a miserable factory farmed animals life, but it seems doubly disturbing for many to take a "happy" animals life away too! It becomes a situation where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't...Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-24571526379456520192010-01-26T15:20:39.341-06:002010-01-26T15:20:39.341-06:00The important thing is that an issue, in this cas...The important thing is that an issue, in this case, what one eats, becomes an ethical dilemma.<br />Let's take feminism. Simone de Beauvoir is the Peter Singer of feminism: out of nowhere she writes an incredible book, The Second Sex. Maybe 20 years later, de Beauvoir's ideas begin to spread in university circles, as did Singers. Generally, intellectuals see things in s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-81296240376307655742010-01-26T14:51:20.182-06:002010-01-26T14:51:20.182-06:00Amos, Yes, the whole idea of "ethical food&qu...Amos, Yes, the whole idea of "ethical food" is real progress.<br /><br />Scu, Michael Pollan does romanticize and sweep various things under the rug--very true. But I don't want to do the opposite. <br /><br />About suffering being built into genes--isn't part of humane farming a matter of selecting breeds that aren't doomed to live miserable lives? Jonathan Safran Foer&Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-60005606415135679102010-01-26T14:07:18.031-06:002010-01-26T14:07:18.031-06:00What's surprising and even revolutionary is th...What's surprising and even revolutionary is that what one eats has become an ethical issue for so many people. Once where food comes from becomes an ethical problem, there is no going back to the days of being blissfully unaware of animal suffering and exploitation. People's eyes have been opened and that is good.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-27917216898451067162010-01-26T13:00:55.192-06:002010-01-26T13:00:55.192-06:00While I didn't grow up in farm country (and th...While I didn't grow up in farm country (and that may be a real difference between how each of us will process this sort of thing) I have been to local farms before. And I'm not the sort of crazy person who believes that local farms are the same as factory farms, or anything of the sort. But I also have trouble when someone like Pollan starts talking about how chickens can experience theirScuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17156611887819008603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-70950987929619677452010-01-26T11:52:51.726-06:002010-01-26T11:52:51.726-06:00My mother has a friend who's a longtime vegeta...My mother has a friend who's a longtime vegetarian, now a "humane meat" supporter, so yes, I'm bumping up against this too. It's as if Michael Pollan is the new Peter Singer. He's influencing what people see as "ethical food." <br /><br />Polyface has got to have a long list of problems--<br /><br />-shortened lives<br />-male chicks killed immediately (I Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-4431345964284809832010-01-26T11:33:14.695-06:002010-01-26T11:33:14.695-06:00Before the editors started writing comments about ...Before the editors started writing comments about vegetarians eating local meat, I'd noticed it in my own life. I was living in Ithaca NY, so two things were true. Large numbers of vegetarians, and easy access to locally grown animal flesh. It seemed every where I turned around I would say, "Well, I'm a vegan" and someone would say, "Oh, I use to be a vegetarian, but not Scuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17156611887819008603noreply@blogger.com