tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post3272246456035131416..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: What's so bad about SOPA?Jean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-59895349019646047682012-02-05T11:32:22.241-06:002012-02-05T11:32:22.241-06:00Google Google everywhere.Google Google <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-03/google-sponsoring-conservative-political-conference-co-hosted-by-tea-party.html" rel="nofollow">everywhere.</a>Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-36190019756124253142012-02-03T13:18:20.270-06:002012-02-03T13:18:20.270-06:00I think Google supports legislation that ensures i...I think Google supports legislation that ensures it will not incur any secondary liability for copyright infringement and that this remains its primary goal. The structure of "OPEN" makes sure the internet stays "open" meaning that no ex ante regulatory regime gets introduced. <br /><br />Using open secrets it looks to me like WilmerHale LLP is the top contributor to Issa, andFaustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-46441069983052952242012-01-31T00:07:19.948-06:002012-01-31T00:07:19.948-06:00Faust opined: "OPEN is Google's way...&qu...Faust opined: "OPEN is Google's way..."<br /><br />I can't see much evidence that the Wyden and Issa legislation is Google's (in terms of campaign contributions etc). <br /><br />The <a href="http://www.keepthewebopen.com/supporters" rel="nofollow">supporter list</a> on the bill's website includes several large Internet-based companies, the American Library Association.David Duffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142997170025811780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-65489724353997475482012-01-30T11:28:48.764-06:002012-01-30T11:28:48.764-06:00OPEN is Google's way of making sure the DMCA s...OPEN is Google's way of making sure the DMCA safe harbor laws are preserved, i.e. making sure they incur no secondary liability for infringement. I haven't had a chance to look at it closely yet, but I doubt that a Google written bill (in the same sense that SOPA was an MPAA written bill) is going to do the trick. I think it's funny that they named it OPEN. It's almost like they Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-31680807146476389362012-01-29T11:21:33.586-06:002012-01-29T11:21:33.586-06:00Faust, Thanks for those very thorough and clear an...Faust, Thanks for those very thorough and clear answers. So I see there's new legislation called OPEN and the NYT supports it. They seem to think it's better than SOPA. I have no idea--but hurray for keeping the issue alive and pursuing stronger protection for copyright holders.<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opinion/sunday/beyond-sopa.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rssJean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-20468409245748098932012-01-28T20:15:39.140-06:002012-01-28T20:15:39.140-06:00To your second point, I don't think that there...To your second point, I don't think that there is any question that SOPA is an attempt move from an <a href="http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1006/100630losangeles.htm" rel="nofollow">ex post to and ex ante</a> regulatory regime. As near as I can tell some people think that this shift would <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-industry-calls-for-broad-search-engine-censorship-120127/" Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-73503174740895676612012-01-28T19:56:19.102-06:002012-01-28T19:56:19.102-06:00@Deepak:
I'm not sure why people think the ar...@Deepak:<br /><br />I'm not sure why people think the argument "Megaupload was seized therefore SOPA is unecessary" has any weight at all. The Megaupload case is being prosecuted under current law, but 1) until the case is settled it's not going to be clear exactly what the extent of current law is (e.g. how the case relates to DMCA safe harbor provisions, if there are any Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-66247246246612393742012-01-26T07:18:21.946-06:002012-01-26T07:18:21.946-06:00Faust, Good article. It's nice to see it at a...Faust, Good article. It's nice to see it at a solidly liberal site like The Nation. I can't fathom why liberals have all lined up on the anti-SOPA side.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-84065517142609793002012-01-26T00:03:33.124-06:002012-01-26T00:03:33.124-06:00@faust
Contemplate Megaupload indeed - a site that...@faust<br />Contemplate Megaupload indeed - a site that was shut down without the need of SOPA or PIPA. <br /><br />But let me ask you this<br />Google provides an email service. Is it Google's responsibility to monitor what you email your friends? If someone believes that you are misusing your email for piracy or other nefarious activities , what evidence do they need to provide before Deepak Shettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324456947895848248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-61600015213361385492012-01-25T17:33:31.459-06:002012-01-25T17:33:31.459-06:00Here's another read on anti-SOPA, includes som...Here's another read on anti-SOPA, includes some a (very) brief critique of Clay Shirkey's demagoguery. <br /><br />http://www.thenation.com/article/165837/kill-internet-and-other-anti-sopa-mythsfaustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-7919465596229326392012-01-25T07:25:30.191-06:002012-01-25T07:25:30.191-06:00I think the objections are roughly:
There is alre...I think the objections are roughly:<br /><br />There is already sufficient targeted legislation eg current Megaupload case<br /><br />Existing legislation (DMCA) is already used inappropriately by some corporations eg <a href="https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca" rel="nofollow">EFF White Paper</a>. This new legislation is seen as more easily abused. <br /><br />The David Duffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142997170025811780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-23086003428633212572012-01-21T23:03:54.493-06:002012-01-21T23:03:54.493-06:00Cool, I'll read that tomorrow. I'm happy t...Cool, I'll read that tomorrow. I'm happy to see that we're on the same page, especially because you actually know what you're talking about!Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-81437897504824791362012-01-21T21:36:32.755-06:002012-01-21T21:36:32.755-06:00I think the hysteria around SOPA has been awesome ...I think the hysteria around SOPA has been awesome to watch. The level of group-think has been positively stunning, and frankly quite creepy. <br /><br />Because it touches on my professional life I've read bill and the propaganda that has been leveled against it cannot be justified.<br /><br />I do think the process objections have weight, but if that was all that these protests were about wefaustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-24536142351563773652012-01-19T20:03:43.767-06:002012-01-19T20:03:43.767-06:00But the zeal of the opponents make me wonder if th...<i>But the zeal of the opponents make me wonder if they really appreciate that creative artists ought to be protected from internet theft. </i><br />Not all creative artists agree<br />with whats being done.<br /> <br />http://stopthewall.us/artists/<br /><br />Draconian laws have always been misued.Deepak Shettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324456947895848248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-58755993228774733772012-01-19T19:29:33.978-06:002012-01-19T19:29:33.978-06:00And ofcourse there is the technical problem. if yo...And ofcourse there is the technical problem. if you are Google and you need to crawl the entire internet , almost nothing in your operation can be manual. So while they can react to complaints, proactively filtering out sites with pirated material is really only going to be as good as the algorithm you come up with. Too strict an algorithm penalizes legitimate sites who can suffer revenue losses.Deepak Shettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324456947895848248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-41566220040895953052012-01-19T19:04:07.925-06:002012-01-19T19:04:07.925-06:00Even without SOPA, we already have problems with d...Even without SOPA, we already have problems with due process. One blogger <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/08225217010/breaking-news-feds-falsely-censor-popular-blog-over-year-deny-all-due-process-hide-all-details.shtml" rel="nofollow">had his web domain seized for over a year</a>, because the FBI did a botched job of checking that he had permission to post his content -- which J. J. Ramseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00763792476799485687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-385352785863864802012-01-19T02:02:41.683-06:002012-01-19T02:02:41.683-06:00Clay Shirky says it pretty well in his TED talk (a...Clay Shirky says it pretty well in his TED talk (and in Canada, Michael Geist and Howard Knopf cover the legal issues for us). <br /><br />Basically, these proposed laws reverse the burden of proof with regard to alleged copyright violation. This both takes away the right of due process and has the effect of adding prohibitive costs onto the shoulders of the providers of self-publishing services.Alan Cooperhttp://qpr.ca/blogsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-57993075897287664512012-01-18T21:31:51.518-06:002012-01-18T21:31:51.518-06:00Three words: NO DUE PROCESS
If someone is convict...Three words: NO DUE PROCESS<br /><br />If someone is convicted of a crime (and copyright violation is a crime), or of criminal conspiracy, or aiding and abetting a convicted felon, fine: yank their DNS records, nuke their search results from Google. But to require the "middle man" to act on the mere say-so of a complainant, with no legal process, is antithetical to constitutional -- andGeoff Arnoldhttp://geoffarnold.comnoreply@blogger.com