tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post1825392308341994076..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Is Worship Morally Wrong?Jean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-79161165044076074972011-06-10T18:54:44.643-05:002011-06-10T18:54:44.643-05:00"Now I will "confess": I personall..."Now I will "confess": I personally do not worship--I just can't do it, because I think there's nothing to worship."<br /><br />I think this is really the rub: and it hits the central problem for relgion in the age of naturalism. When we conceive of God as being an existing being, and independent thing, a super agent the sits over and above us, then it is possible to Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-19327818595363840752011-06-07T10:27:08.887-05:002011-06-07T10:27:08.887-05:00I think it is good that there's some philosoph...I think it is good that there's some philosophy of religion (not theology) being done about the practice of religion, rather than things like proofs for the existence of god or even universalism.<br /><br />-EricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-26013517794828764202011-06-07T08:21:03.233-05:002011-06-07T08:21:03.233-05:00I think Kant would see moral principles as simply ...I think Kant would see moral principles as simply rational. If God is rational too, there's no conflict between what morality dictates and what God prefers. So morality is not "from God," but it's God-approved!Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-87077080757531687502011-06-06T17:46:18.831-05:002011-06-06T17:46:18.831-05:00I agree with your view of worship. About Kant - i...I agree with your view of worship. About Kant - if a person looked inside and believed certain laws were worth following, would they then believe also that the "follow-able" ones must be from God and the others not really, so there'd be no conflict?crystalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05681674503952991492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-63895631141735423532011-06-06T07:33:37.100-05:002011-06-06T07:33:37.100-05:00Well OK--but we find the moral law in ourselves, a...Well OK--but we find the moral law in ourselves, and can't help but find its dictates compelling. So this is self-legislation, but not in any juicy sense. A theist could say the obedient are self-legislating too--they find God ordering them to do things, and recognize that they must obey. It's within their power to stray, but they don't because they can see that obedience is right.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-81476060402385563182011-06-06T07:04:24.856-05:002011-06-06T07:04:24.856-05:00If he does issue some commands--"thou shalt n...<i>If he does issue some commands--"thou shalt not kill"--how does it compromise human autonomy for us to "have to" obey them? On any objective morality, there are things we "have to" do.</i><br /><br />According to Kant (at least on my reading), humans must be <i>self</i>-legislators of all the laws they obey, if they are to be autonomous. So there'd be a Simon Ripponnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-26979750167168500162011-06-05T16:40:49.236-05:002011-06-05T16:40:49.236-05:00I don't know about Muslims
Well if Islam means...<i>I don't know about Muslims</i><br />Well if Islam means submission to the will of God , even if some of them reject it , its on theologically poor grounds.Deepak Shettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324456947895848248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-50126076180328004732011-06-05T13:19:31.301-05:002011-06-05T13:19:31.301-05:00I'm not even sure why obedience is bad.
We h...I'm not even sure why obedience is bad. <br /><br />We have to obey the laws. Is that bad?<br /><br />In many situations, we have to obey what authorities say, independent of the details of the law, for example, in the Armed Forces, in emergencies (obey the police, firefighters, etc.), if we are hospitalized (doctors' orders). <br /><br />If God were the all wise, benevolent s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.com