tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post921040579018720940..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Animal Concern: Emotion or Reason?Jean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-12046969249546201882009-12-20T09:26:23.264-06:002009-12-20T09:26:23.264-06:00NorCal--That way of describing the moment of pulli...NorCal--That way of describing the moment of pulling the trigger is helpful. I get a lot of hunters in my Animal Rights class and I've heard many different kinds of talk about that moment. I've also watched promotional videos for "Safari International." Some of what I see/hear just makes hunters sound like they find killing itself thrilling. But then I get these folks who seemJean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-37690369682741553282009-12-19T18:25:13.027-06:002009-12-19T18:25:13.027-06:00Thanks for responding, Jean.
The decision to pul...Thanks for responding, Jean. <br /><br />The decision to pull the trigger is a somber one - I don't enjoy watching animals die (though I admit I do have classic hunter reactions when I'm successful, because success is never automatic). I just know I love meat and I'm not going to give it up, so I'm willing to do what has to be done. It's definitely not for everyone.<br /><br /Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-86350398422149331372009-12-19T16:24:01.590-06:002009-12-19T16:24:01.590-06:00NorCal, I'm with you on almost everything you...NorCal, I'm with you on almost everything you say, but just have a problem with this killing business. I wish I could believe Michael Pollan when he talks about respectful killing, but I'm afraid I can't. There's the animal, enjoying life, and the hunter puts an end to it. This might be no worse than buying meat at the store, and in fact better (the animal got to have a better Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-82316032010162957092009-12-19T13:35:27.162-06:002009-12-19T13:35:27.162-06:00"There is no moral difference between eating ..."There is no moral difference between eating a steak on the one hand vs. eating an egg ..." <br /><br />I beg to differ on this. I've known lots of people who keep chickens as pets. There is most certainly a "moral difference" between eating an egg from one of these chickens and eating a steak. Of course factory-farming is another issue.<br /><br />Vegetarian/Vegan Melissahttp://www.vegetarianwomen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-19945951336291614802009-12-19T12:10:15.895-06:002009-12-19T12:10:15.895-06:00"and I confess to being more irritated by ovo..."and I confess to being more irritated by ovo-lacto-vegetarians <b>that claim a moral high ground</b> than by unabashed omnivores."<br /><br />Fixed that for you.Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-49506253581704447192009-12-19T10:32:49.061-06:002009-12-19T10:32:49.061-06:00Jean wrote: "42% of the animal activists were...Jean wrote: "42% of the animal activists were not vegetarians. [...] What does all this show? [...] That it's a mistake to draw lines between advocates and non-advocates based on who eats what."<br /><br />I do not think that your conclusion follows logically from the data. You seem to be confusing "is" with "ought". There is no doubt that the animal "Alex Chernavskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08200015595839585212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-32624150568526937032009-12-18T18:02:07.348-06:002009-12-18T18:02:07.348-06:00NorCal: my understanding of sport hunting is diffe...NorCal: my understanding of sport hunting is different from yours. Going for the antlers and ignoring the meat is how I would define it. Otherwise I do agree with you. I deplore animal farming; I treasure hunted meat, always hoping of course that the animal truly was the weaker of the herd, destined to starve slowly if the hunter did not hasten its demise.<br /><br />My experience with all rtknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-74418506033160576662009-12-18T17:26:13.832-06:002009-12-18T17:26:13.832-06:00Interesting - I'm glad you brought this study ...Interesting - I'm glad you brought this study to my attention and I'm looking forward to reading it.<br /><br />I'm a hunter who loathes factory farms and has a pretty high level of empathy for animals - and I have plenty of friends just like me. We don't like animal suffering, but we eat meat, and we are willing to take personal responsibility for it.<br /><br />While I'm Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-91109960095638323642009-12-18T14:05:28.249-06:002009-12-18T14:05:28.249-06:00Meat, especially raw meat, has always disgusted...Meat, especially raw meat, has always disgusted me a little, and that has nothing to do with the sufferings of animals. I'm the type of person who could not study human anatomy. However, reading about factory farming and animal rights in general has certainly given me more and perhaps better reasons not to eat meat.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-50944947579326630492009-12-18T13:08:52.167-06:002009-12-18T13:08:52.167-06:00Well for me it's a sympathy reaction. I do fin...Well for me it's a sympathy reaction. I do find this stuff disgusting. But most of the emotions I experience in the vicinity of this issue are what I would call "horror" which is qualitatively different than disgust, and "sympathy." <br /><br />Unlike a lot of people who are sympathetic to AR concerns I'm a lot less certain about how that suffering works (it's not Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-88811623067162377462009-12-18T11:08:19.528-06:002009-12-18T11:08:19.528-06:00Yes, abstinence only! If we tell the kids anythin...Yes, abstinence only! If we tell the kids anything else they'll think we want them to eat meat.<br /><br />I wondered the same thing. Maybe high-disgust correlates with generally having strong emotions. What's driving the activist, disgust or sympathy?<br /><br />It really may be disgust because many of the pictures and videos used by advocacy groups are disgusting. They show sick Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-52150746255037719282009-12-18T10:51:56.014-06:002009-12-18T10:51:56.014-06:00The New Vegan movement: yet another round of peopl...The New Vegan movement: yet another round of people who believe in abstinence only education?<br /><br />That study is interesting. Lots of data in there. The fact that AAS is more strongly predictive of meat eating than raw disgust doesn't really undercut Haidt's model though, since it allows for many emotions other than disgust. <br /><br />The disgust scale in question is pretty Faustnoreply@blogger.com