tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post8624787567380726587..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Skeptics and DeniersJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-15186368157682777912010-02-14T21:06:44.870-06:002010-02-14T21:06:44.870-06:00Ha...
If you'd like to write up a short(ish) ...Ha...<br /><br />If you'd like to write up a short(ish) objection/discussion of chapter 3, send it to me and I'll post it with a reply once I get back from my fast. That would be fun. Up to you...<br /><br />jkazez@smu.eduJean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-24600667662073989362010-02-14T18:31:28.131-06:002010-02-14T18:31:28.131-06:00so...
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keyboard....so...<br /><br />hard...<br /><br />not...<br /><br />to...<br /><br />touch...<br /><br />keyboard...Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-83769735133997279922010-02-14T17:41:34.342-06:002010-02-14T17:41:34.342-06:00Re: discussing. Yes, when I return it would be gr...Re: discussing. Yes, when I return it would be great to discuss the consciousness stuff in that chapter.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-60328971450398242212010-02-14T17:40:05.991-06:002010-02-14T17:40:05.991-06:00By all means, I'm plotting my revenge. (rubbin...By all means, I'm plotting my revenge. (rubbing hands together, cackling.)Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-88749592351574172992010-02-14T17:28:58.572-06:002010-02-14T17:28:58.572-06:00Even only on a limited sense of "present or a...Even only on a limited sense of "present or absent" I still have issues with it. We can discuss at length when you return to (not from!) the real world.<br /><br />I hope you have extracted a relevant pound of flesh from your son in exchange...Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-64028967968966816082010-02-14T17:18:39.001-06:002010-02-14T17:18:39.001-06:00Quickly--because of blog fast!--when I say "c...Quickly--because of blog fast!--when I say "culpable mishandling of evidence" I'm using the word "evidence" in a very wide sense. I could have said "culpably bad reasoning." <br /><br />I don't think the global availability stuff is meant to explain what consciousness IS, but only to give us a handle on when it's present or absent. So I'm appealingJean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-24978588969307911952010-02-14T16:45:23.102-06:002010-02-14T16:45:23.102-06:00I'm not sure that in the case of animal phenom...I'm not sure that in the case of animal phenomenology the problem is a "culpable mishandling of evidence" but rather the deployment of Pyrrhonian skepticism gone wrong. It is an inappropriate use of theory, not evidence (the evidence of animals writhing, yelping, avoiding is not denied, it is interpreted away). <br /><br />Having started your book now, I can speak directly to the Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-64163188076937063602010-02-14T16:36:04.969-06:002010-02-14T16:36:04.969-06:00Sneaking in one last comment (son is not looking)....Sneaking in one last comment (son is not looking)...I have a friend whose son developed autism. I understand the psychology of that experience, and really do understand why she didn't vaccinate her second child. So... don't mean to be overly judgmental. When I talk about deniers I'm really thinking of the people who organize the anti-vaccine movement, write books about it, tell Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-87129801570403064002010-02-14T16:22:16.151-06:002010-02-14T16:22:16.151-06:00"From what I can see from reading articles ov..."From what I can see from reading articles over the years, the reasonable thing to believe is that vaccines don't cause autism."<br /><br />I see your point there, yet it would be just as reasonable for the parent(s) whose child is vaccinated and then hospitalized 24hours later to remain skeptical or deny claims that vaccines definitely play no role in ASD. <br /><br />I do not meanMelissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-31230867411766304472010-02-14T16:03:18.590-06:002010-02-14T16:03:18.590-06:00I don't mean to say vaccine deniers are as mor...I don't mean to say vaccine deniers are as morally reprehensible as Holocaust deniers. I'm just saying it's with good reason that people use the term "denier" in all these different cases. They have SOMETHING important in common, but that doesn't mean they're equally deluded or morally flawed. <br /><br />To call someone a denier, you do have to make up your mind Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-9421363637433257032010-02-14T14:34:21.558-06:002010-02-14T14:34:21.558-06:00I'm not sure I see how vaccine deniers are sim...I'm not sure I see how vaccine deniers are similar to Holocaust deniers. Let me first say, I am neither. My children are both up-to-date on all vaccines. Yet there are most certainly cases -- that is, evidence -- of children suffering seizures/reactions after receiving vaccinations. Furthermore, it is an undeniable fact that vaccines contain toxic substances. Parents and health professionals Melissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-18759675197432556212010-02-14T14:08:48.199-06:002010-02-14T14:08:48.199-06:00If you're interested in the difference between...If you're interested in the difference between deniers and skeptics, no one is less skeptical and more dogmatic than the anti-mainstream medicine set. If you ask any normal doctor if it's o.k. to try reiki along with your prescription medicine, she is likely to say: it can't hurt, just be sure to take your prescription medicine as indicated. That is the attitude of a s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-22487878040861405652010-02-14T12:38:23.367-06:002010-02-14T12:38:23.367-06:00I'm not sure you're right about the Holoca...I'm not sure you're right about the Holocaust deniers or animal-suffering deniers. If part of "denialism" (all forms) is wishful thinking, some of them may succeed in thinking what they wish to think. They really don't accept that the Holocaust occurred or animal pain exists. In fact, I'd bet most of them are like that. They've succeeded in convincing themselves.<Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-41058338811315767372010-02-14T07:41:02.908-06:002010-02-14T07:41:02.908-06:00I've never run into vaccine deniers in this pa...I've never run into vaccine deniers in this part of the world, but I think that some climate change deniers are closer to the heart attack denier or the guy who denies that his wife no longer loves him(although the whole town notices) than they are to Holocaust deniers or animal-suffering deniers. The Holocaust denier and the animal suffering denier deny something that they know is true:s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-39687304476701446182010-02-13T20:11:40.473-06:002010-02-13T20:11:40.473-06:00I don't think people are confused about the me...I don't think people are confused about the meaning of "denial" when they apply the term first to Holocaust deniers, and then to vaccine-safety deniers, climate change deniers, and animal pain deniers. There's an underlying sameness there, even if there's lots of variation on a theme. I think the thread running through all these things is some sort of culpable mishandling ofJean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-48119266853555815392010-02-13T15:32:50.474-06:002010-02-13T15:32:50.474-06:00The term "denial" has a lot of different...The term "denial" has a lot of different meanings that get confused. The Holocaust deniers deliberately present false evidence. There is also psychological denial, defined as Wikipedia as "a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-79269163099491947982010-02-13T13:55:53.814-06:002010-02-13T13:55:53.814-06:00There's a further point about Holocaust denier...There's a further point about Holocaust deniers, which is that at least one of them is known to have falisified evidence, and not just a little but extensively. This is David Irving, and his falsification wouldn't even be known if he hadn't sued Deborah Lipstadt for...precisely, calling him a Holocaust denier. Penguin defended and the result was that it paid the historian Richard Ophelia Bensonhttp://www.butterfliesandwheels.comnoreply@blogger.com