tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post7542112856482930671..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Reader, I Bought ItJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-10856038840724085742010-04-12T14:21:11.167-05:002010-04-12T14:21:11.167-05:00So Lierre Keith believes that "Apple trees wa...So Lierre Keith believes that "Apple trees want us to eat their apples, and want us to defecate on the ground, so that the seeds can become new apple trees."<br /><br />If that's what she thinks then evidently she has not tried growing apples from seed :)Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06399341362068645241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-11492171833987042422010-04-11T00:54:54.086-05:002010-04-11T00:54:54.086-05:00Woha. That's too rich for my blood.
She kinda...Woha. That's too rich for my blood.<br /><br />She kinda reminds me of my college days.<br /><br />Anyone who ruminates: "one of my favorite Andrea Dworkin quotes..." is someone I would be inclined to avoid.faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-1368220658941337882010-04-10T20:27:31.086-05:002010-04-10T20:27:31.086-05:00I finally read the whole interview
with Ms. Keith...I finally read the whole interview <br />with Ms. Keith. She seems like a very sensitive, intelligent woman, who has probably had some horrible experiences and believes that those horrible experiences occur more frequently than they actually do. I find it difficult to dislike her. In fact, Ms Keith, if you read this, I no longer find you to be "not so bright," as I s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-12114505378868829392010-04-10T18:51:28.606-05:002010-04-10T18:51:28.606-05:00Most authors find out on their own what people are...Most authors find out on their own what people are saying about them online and choose whether to respond or not respond. Sometimes it's profitable to have a conversation, sometimes not.Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-20874561709345478732010-04-10T17:15:57.468-05:002010-04-10T17:15:57.468-05:00As you probably already have discovered her blog i...As you probably already have discovered her blog isn't functioning, but there is an email address in her website. Maybe you can invite her to answer you in this blog. Feel free to delete my comment at 1:37 P.M above.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-70241709673524809612010-04-10T14:10:41.198-05:002010-04-10T14:10:41.198-05:00Taylor, Wow, what quotes! I looked around for a si...Taylor, Wow, what quotes! I looked around for a site answering her points one by one, because somebody needs to do that. I shall go have a look... At first I was going to attempt some point-by-point refuting myself, but then I started thinking this was a serious waste of my time. Yes, a primitivist. I don't think that's the kind of environmentalism the world really needs.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-85428736253361751472010-04-10T13:37:19.883-05:002010-04-10T13:37:19.883-05:00From the quotes, Keith doesn't seem too brigh...From the quotes, Keith doesn't seem too bright to me. You knock out internet, and a lot of critical patients are going to die fast. You knock out cell-phones, and victims of sexual predators aren't going to be able to call the police. A long-bow against a pistol will lose. In a state of anarchy, without police, without internet, the losers will be the weak, the old, and the s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-26748485161930378272010-04-10T12:50:43.299-05:002010-04-10T12:50:43.299-05:00But back to Lierre Keith... Thanks for the review....But back to Lierre Keith... Thanks for the review. Some people are putting up a website to examine/rebut her arguments in a rational (no pies) manner:<br />http://www.vegetarianmyth.com/<br /><br />I haven't read the book myself, but I understand she is a "primitivist", who ardently desires the end of civilization. Here are some quotations from an interview:<br />http://Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-70992031301516561262010-04-10T11:25:40.848-05:002010-04-10T11:25:40.848-05:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea
According to Wiki...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea<br />According to Wikipedia, by 1750<br />tea had become the national drink in England, which means that you're probably right about tea drinking being common 200 years ago. My doubts about tea drinking being widespread come from the incredible povery in which most people lived 200 years ago. Read Marx, whose descriptions of working class conditions (s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-17491125226108604022010-04-10T11:08:19.620-05:002010-04-10T11:08:19.620-05:00Tea drinking wasn't common 200 years ago? Tha...Tea drinking wasn't common 200 years ago? That surprises me. In any event, I don't think the source of goods has much to do with multitasking and distraction. If I order a book from amazon and drink tea from China, I can sit down and concentrate just as well as I can if I'm working in my garden. Probably even better, because honestly I find reading a book more riveting.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-27646151370194832922010-04-10T10:59:53.012-05:002010-04-10T10:59:53.012-05:00Jean: I'm chatting with you on internet. It...Jean: I'm chatting with you on internet. It would be the height of hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness to renounce technology as I type on my keyboard. I'm not an advocate of the local life; it's not an option in today's world, except perhaps for some wealthy people who want to play at dropping out while their trust funds (which don't drop out)pay the bills. And we s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-49533401333338221252010-04-10T10:39:14.032-05:002010-04-10T10:39:14.032-05:00200 years ago people in Europe were drinking tea f...200 years ago people in Europe were drinking tea from China, playing the piano on keys made of elephant tusks from Africa, traveling long distances not often, but as needed. It's all just a matter of degree. No, they weren't eating grapes from Chile like I am, but they weren't living "the local life." If you really, seriously live the local life you will have extremely Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-7692257386718783892010-04-10T10:08:57.240-05:002010-04-10T10:08:57.240-05:00Jean: A very small percentage of the population ...Jean: A very small percentage of the population got on boats and traveled to America 200 years ago.<br />For example, the fact that De Toqueville (spelling?) actually traveled to America was worth writing a book. Not everyone owned horses: the poor certainly did not have horses. Travel and trade were risky, and the volume of international trade was a fraction of what it is today, when s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-19942094743160153022010-04-10T09:34:28.944-05:002010-04-10T09:34:28.944-05:00Amos, There was tons of world-wide trade 200 years...Amos, There was tons of world-wide trade 200 years. People road horses and got on boats. For example, they got on boats to America. Kant read books written in other countries, Bach was inspired by ideas from other countries. Their lifestyle depended on resources that came from destroying forests and wiping out species. They didn't live a green and local life any more than we do.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-7582650301815527502010-04-10T08:46:05.003-05:002010-04-10T08:46:05.003-05:00People rarely travelled farther than one can on a ...People rarely travelled farther than one can on a bicycle or on foot until just 200 years ago, when the railroad was invented. Those local folks did great philosophy (how far did Kant or Spinoza travel?) and wrote great music (think of Bach). Their life had fewer distractions, so they could concentrate on what matters, not on what the media feed us. As to not having children, well, s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.com