tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post6450388761520265850..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: The Same Differences ArgumentJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-49235415893623021552011-01-08T16:06:19.455-06:002011-01-08T16:06:19.455-06:00Luke, Yes, I worry about biting that bullet too. M...Luke, Yes, I worry about biting that bullet too. Maybe it's not so terrible...I'm not sure. Just because Elderly Bob (and toddler Bob, etc.) gets his basic rights in a different way doesn't mean they're second class or more fragile or anything...but yes, it does seem sort of strange for them not to be "on the merits."<br /><br />On the other hand... if you start saying Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-4757845956078063382011-01-08T14:37:43.526-06:002011-01-08T14:37:43.526-06:00What if the argument in comment 6 replaced the pre...What if the argument in comment 6 replaced the premise of moral individualism with the premise "intuitively, the right of 1-year-old babies not to be killed or tortured is an intrinsic right", where an intrinsic right is one that supervenes on internal capacities. <br /><br />To me, it feels like a substantial bullet to bite, relegating the most basic rights of significant swathes of Luke Rhttp://www.majesticequality.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-20413217694592751452011-01-01T11:17:30.043-06:002011-01-01T11:17:30.043-06:00Aeolus, I read Dombrowski, and here's the thi...Aeolus, I read Dombrowski, and here's the thing...He takes for granted exactly what I think needs to be challenged--moral individualism. That's the heart of the AMC/same differences argument, as he notes, and I don't think it's true, however much it initially seems true. <br /><br />Moral individualism is the idea that moral properties supervene on internal capacities. So if xJean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-86251157845915806032011-01-01T08:14:23.295-06:002011-01-01T08:14:23.295-06:00Hi Josh, Yes, I think kinship has to be part of th...Hi Josh, Yes, I think kinship has to be part of the story, and also the actual abilities of apes. That's all directly relevant stuff--if you focus on it, there's no leveraging of rights for apes by comparing them to impaired humans. It's that comparing business that I think is misleading and too often the whole case for animal rights.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-20639536136908727992011-01-01T03:06:08.456-06:002011-01-01T03:06:08.456-06:00I should think that phylogenetic similarity would ...I should think that phylogenetic similarity would be relevant to the discussion, perhaps as a way to explain similarity in behavior, cognition, and brain anatomy. Great apes can evaluate their own wellbeing and their situation in ways very similar to those of humans, and that should accord them certain rights against being harmed. Contrarywise, they don't have the capacity to think of theirJosh Rosenauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07304209937998935215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-62786936244543402772010-12-31T19:12:44.285-06:002010-12-31T19:12:44.285-06:00I should have said...Happy New Year!I should have said...Happy New Year!Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-69255213032339126662010-12-31T19:12:29.086-06:002010-12-31T19:12:29.086-06:00Aeolus, You once sent me that, and I was going to ...Aeolus, You once sent me that, and I was going to look again, but couldn't find it. I'll definitely find it and read it again before I finish this paper. By the way, I'm ordering your book too. I want to see how you explain the AMC and track down the versions in all the people you attribute it to. I've decided you're extremely reliable :-)Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-84906922549298256662010-12-31T18:50:12.113-06:002010-12-31T18:50:12.113-06:00If you have not already done so, have a look at Da...If you have not already done so, have a look at Daniel Dombrowski's "Is the Argument from Marginal Cases Obtuse?", Journal of Applied Ethics 23 (2006), pp. 223-32. Dombrowski is replying to Elizabeth Anderson and Cora Diamond.Aeolushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15772583359516799143noreply@blogger.com