tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post5547511927853372950..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Self OwnershipJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-54296769553635564392013-06-25T17:07:29.945-05:002013-06-25T17:07:29.945-05:00Maybe the problem has to do with "belonging&q...Maybe the problem has to do with "belonging".<br /><br />I don't feel that I belong to me or that Amos belongs to Amos.<br /><br />I belong to certain social groups, to my family, to<br />others who have accepted me.<br /><br />I realize that I'm playing on the meaning of the word "belong", but it seems that non-libertarians feel that they don't belong to s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-28970273052619655432013-06-25T16:48:48.521-05:002013-06-25T16:48:48.521-05:00I think the idea of self-ownership doesn't hav...I think the idea of self-ownership doesn't have to do with the self in any technical sense. You could express the idea without even using the word "self"--the idea is that Jean owns Jean, Amos owns Amos, etc. etc. All this presupposes is that there are persons, or human beings, and we all agree on that. Then again, yes, we have to think about what's part of Jean and what'Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-59025474853705961632013-06-25T16:17:17.723-05:002013-06-25T16:17:17.723-05:00We'd have to decide first what the self is and...We'd have to decide first what the self is and even if there is a self, which some deny.<br /><br />In addition, what or who is the "I" that "owns" the self?<br /><br />Are the "I" and the "self" the same "thing"?<br /><br />They aren't the same in many uses of language such as "I irritate myself".<br /><br />To say that &s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-68560170413253425352013-06-25T07:32:04.588-05:002013-06-25T07:32:04.588-05:00About the hand adrift--we can be proprietary about...About the hand adrift--we can be proprietary about our body parts without owning them. My hand is part of me, so if it becomes severed it ought to be returned because it's mine in that sense. <br /><br />There are other ways of thinking about this (of course). You could think some bits of the body (hair, for example) are like clothing worn by the self, so can be owned, sold etc. It wouldnJean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-77651951709735077872013-06-24T08:25:30.588-05:002013-06-24T08:25:30.588-05:00"Don't we talk about blood and organ dona..."Don't we talk about blood and organ donations, as opposed to sales? "<br /><br />Generally yes, but there are markets in these things too, no? In the US you can sell your blood I think (it may still be called a 'donation' I don't know). Certainly you can sell your hair and that would not usually strike people as strange (I mean, it may be a strange choice but not hard Torquil Macneilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-26183447035982744752013-06-24T07:31:05.549-05:002013-06-24T07:31:05.549-05:00Don't we talk about blood and organ donations,...Don't we talk about blood and organ donations, as opposed to sales? If we don't own them, we do need an alternative account of why they can't be confiscated, but that could be in terms of autonomy instead of ownership. My blood is part of me--it's mine, but not in the way my car is mine. Since it's mine, I get to decide what happens to it. I prefer my blood to remain in my Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-84400419562895599062013-06-24T06:54:41.744-05:002013-06-24T06:54:41.744-05:00Surely the idea that you own parts of your body is...Surely the idea that you own parts of your body isn't so absurd, because we do give some bits a monetary value. In the US you can sell blood for example and black markets in organs exists worldwide. In many places you can sell hair, teeth, eggs and sperm too. If we can own these bits is it so strange to own the whole? And if we don't own these bits, on what principle should we object to Torquil Macneilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-65238251906982218182013-06-23T01:58:50.497-05:002013-06-23T01:58:50.497-05:00Isn't there a metaphysical absurdity related t...Isn't there a metaphysical absurdity related to Identity when one owns oneself? <br /><br />Are there two selves now? The owner-self and the property-self? Must he self be partitioned in order to for this to be intelligible? <br /><br />Or perhaps that's a metaphysical problem with all reflexive self-referential descriptions (i.e., self-determination, self-management, self-esteem, etc).<Charles Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09206043266782731176noreply@blogger.com