tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post4923761717653085180..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: How to argue against same sex marriage (part I)Jean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-67759016379673373272013-04-04T15:13:35.022-05:002013-04-04T15:13:35.022-05:00Pretty well done argument about normalizing donor ...Pretty well done argument about normalizing donor gametes. Donor gametes are eugenic and make people feel they don't have a right to use their own genes when better genes are offered.<br /><br />Civil Unions should be defined as "marriage minus conception rights" so that they can be given to couples that are not allowed to reproduce together, like siblings and same-sex couples John Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15367755435877853172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-38374348296860485832013-04-04T10:37:09.821-05:002013-04-04T10:37:09.821-05:00Aha--I was wondering how debate teams might approa...Aha--I was wondering how debate teams might approach this. That seems a lot more straightforward than the argument I'm putting forward, which is highly "squishy".Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-14161539164129515152013-04-04T09:44:10.820-05:002013-04-04T09:44:10.820-05:00I am a debate team coach, and this is actually an ...I am a debate team coach, and this is actually an argument we have been assigned, despite being pro-same sex marriage as a team. Randomly, here are our strategies (and I don't know if I should brag on this, but we have yet to lose on this side of the issue when we have had to debate it. Maybe I should feel shame for that). <br /><br />(1) If the prompt/resolution is specific to the Supreme Scuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17156611887819008603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-47496891123673851392013-04-04T02:45:57.279-05:002013-04-04T02:45:57.279-05:00I was only kidding about the bullying :-).
The tr...I was only kidding about the bullying :-).<br /><br />The trouble with hitching arguments against marriage to procreation is that it will work only if there is something which prohibits or strongly discourages unmarried couples from having children. Are you aware of any figures that shows that a significant number of gay couples refrain from having children solely or primarily because they are ianbargainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-48141859252273931422013-04-03T20:22:45.310-05:002013-04-03T20:22:45.310-05:00ianbargain, Bullying not a factor, it's just ...ianbargain, Bullying not a factor, it's just been extremely time consuming dealing with "old, old age" (see last post).<br /><br />Alan, I think the gov't has a legitimate interest in promoting marriage, even the religious kind, because it turns unrelated people into kin and makes them take care of each other over the long-term. Without that, the social safety net would have toJean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-80221451317145620622013-04-03T19:57:18.481-05:002013-04-03T19:57:18.481-05:00If I were to oppose same-sex marriage, it would be...If I were to oppose same-sex marriage, it would be on the grounds that marriage is fundamentally a religious institution (in fact many - one for each religion) in which the state should not interfere (and which, in the US, the state should not endorse). <br /><br />I would then go on to argue that the concept of "marriage" endorsed by the state should be clearly distinct from its Alan Cooperhttp://qpr.ca/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-38127583010932342842013-04-03T16:52:23.398-05:002013-04-03T16:52:23.398-05:00So, you were not bullied out off the internet? Wel...So, you were not bullied out off the internet? Welcome back :-).<br />On topic, criticizing gay marriage based on problems potentially faced by their children should also deal with adoption by heterosexual problems where the problem is doubly felt.<br />In any case, this argument is moot because marriage is not necessary to have children. California alone has about 45000 young children brought upianbargainnoreply@blogger.com