tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post4116538730833357343..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Why Socrates Didn't WriteJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-22165347129215223902010-07-21T09:59:47.074-05:002010-07-21T09:59:47.074-05:00Plato was probably the first thinker in history to...Plato was probably the first thinker in history to speculate on the impact of new learning technologies, in this case, reading. He may have been wrong about the effects of reading on the creativity process, but it is impressive that without any predecessors, he was capable of perceiving that new forms of learning shape our mindset.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-41123050368916375192010-07-20T17:26:05.776-05:002010-07-20T17:26:05.776-05:00Thanks for the movie recommendation. Will take he...Thanks for the movie recommendation. Will take heed!Jean Kazeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-41946318611745511022010-07-20T16:52:14.136-05:002010-07-20T16:52:14.136-05:00Plato's argument is based on the idea that wis...Plato's argument is based on the idea that wisdom can only be gained if one thinks things through dialogues or on one's own. Reading is seen as a crutch.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-23639938941937261942010-07-20T16:50:10.598-05:002010-07-20T16:50:10.598-05:00As well as in the Phaedrus, in the 7th letter (ge...As well as in the Phaedrus, in the 7th letter (generally considered to be authentic), Plato argues against writing (in a written letter), one of the ideas being that reading impedes the process of discovering things for oneself, a process which a dialogue stimulates.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-55450618952336263902010-07-20T11:14:40.649-05:002010-07-20T11:14:40.649-05:00Oh, and totally random movie rec.
Go out and see ...Oh, and totally random movie rec.<br /><br />Go out and see Inception today.Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-79940000698914654282010-07-20T11:13:36.293-05:002010-07-20T11:13:36.293-05:00Well it's been a while since I've read it,...Well it's been a while since I've read it, but yes he lays out a very specific argument against writing, the quote you cite sounds right to me. <br /><br />I think he has wound up being wrong though, at least in part. Writing clearly allows "ideas to flow freely." <br /><br />The broader issue about memory though is very interesting, and at least in part true, see: cell phones Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-34992399760326000302010-07-20T10:58:57.410-05:002010-07-20T10:58:57.410-05:00rtk, I have an absolutely pathetic ability to reme...rtk, I have an absolutely pathetic ability to remember things, and it's only getting worse. Like passwords. Is it xy or yx? I don't even remember it from one hour to the next. This is...bad. I'm very fond of the idea of paper and pencil as an extension of the brain. So: down with Socrates (if he ever really insulted writing).<br /><br />Faust--Did he really say that about Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-20969432074819455932010-07-20T10:48:23.005-05:002010-07-20T10:48:23.005-05:00It has been my life long habit never to write down...It has been my life long habit never to write down anything I wanted to remember. For some mysterious reason, just the act of writing sucks the information out of my brain. Those phone numbers I have put in my iphone are no longer in my head. It doesn't work the other way; erasing doesn't dump them back.rtkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565006451158819782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-34857213500373686892010-07-20T10:42:23.718-05:002010-07-20T10:42:23.718-05:00Plato/Socrates lays out this argument in the The P...Plato/Socrates lays out this argument in the The Phaedrus, I believe.Faustnoreply@blogger.com