tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post3794310205415624761..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: When a picture is worth much less than a thousand wordsJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-38689952776559902752011-07-29T00:15:51.901-05:002011-07-29T00:15:51.901-05:00Not fair, not true, not a good message, and I thin...<i>Not fair, not true, not a good message, and I think cafeteria duty is considered a privilege. But how strong a response is warranted? You can't know the answer, unless you let the girls speak for themselves. </i><br />In India we have a lot of poor people. Some of them complain about the injustice of it all, are frustrated etc at being denied opportunities and at the vicious cycle. A Deepak Shettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324456947895848248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-29166141976090272662011-07-19T12:53:35.569-05:002011-07-19T12:53:35.569-05:00JJ Ramsey makes an interesting point that it is &q...JJ Ramsey makes an interesting point that it is "curious that atheists are concerned about menstruating girls being left out of prayer, an activity that atheists are usually not in favor of." <br /><br />It shows that some/many atheists are sensitive enough to overlook the nature of the activity and are more concerned about a natural body function excluding some young people from what Brett Hetheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05702371494104087763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-540981915666152522011-07-19T12:12:49.454-05:002011-07-19T12:12:49.454-05:00"we might say" not "me might say&qu..."we might say" not "me might say"!Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-24046751687911709052011-07-19T12:11:51.244-05:002011-07-19T12:11:51.244-05:00Yes--nobody's going to get too upset, on femin...Yes--nobody's going to get too upset, on feminist grounds, that women don't get to participate in shiite self-flagellation rituals. If some were exempt on grounds of menstruation, me might say "lucky for them." <br /><br />So the critics are suspending skepticism about prayer--going along with the idea that it's a good thing to be able to participate, and objecting to (1) Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-8072798717250662522011-07-19T09:30:06.552-05:002011-07-19T09:30:06.552-05:00One thing I find curious is that atheists are conc...One thing I find curious is that atheists are concerned about menstruating girls being left out of <i>prayer</i>, an activity that atheists are usually not in favor of. It would be one thing if menstruating girls were left out of activities that were secular in nature, such as going to class, or getting rides to and from school. It would also be a serious issue if menstruating girls were J. J. Ramseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00763792476799485687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-47312213293149981862011-07-18T22:20:38.838-05:002011-07-18T22:20:38.838-05:00Always a good time:
http://bibleorqurangame.blogs...Always a good time:<br /><br />http://bibleorqurangame.blogspot.com/Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-4924895291817234642011-07-18T20:05:13.718-05:002011-07-18T20:05:13.718-05:00Actually...wait. Is the notion of uncleanness tha...Actually...wait. Is the notion of uncleanness that pertains to periods the same as the one that pertains to ham and cheese sandwiches? Do you know?Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-5143128084635478632011-07-18T20:00:56.713-05:002011-07-18T20:00:56.713-05:00You used all that visceral language--"filthy&...You used all that visceral language--"filthy", "dirty", etc--which does suggest real-time emotions of disgust. In reality, the governing concept is "unclean," and that's not necessarily anything visceral. It might be, but it might not be--you'd actually have to get inside the heads of those boys and girls to know. Analogy--a ham and cheese sandwich is Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-73090113413395443572011-07-18T19:14:26.796-05:002011-07-18T19:14:26.796-05:00The newer, de-expurgated Diary restores stuff abou...The newer, de-expurgated Diary restores stuff about Anne v. her mother, if I remember correctly. If you're not reading that one, I recommend it.Ophelia Bensonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-57583291617664456732011-07-18T19:10:14.785-05:002011-07-18T19:10:14.785-05:00But you did say the bloggers said it too, and you ...But you did say the bloggers said it too, and you said it more than once. (And I found the energy after all, and none of the others said it. They really didn't. I don't mean to pick a fight [for a change!] but it does look like a gotcha, since none of us actually said that.)<br /><br />No it wasn't really intended as commentary on what the boys feel - it was meant to be the message Ophelia Bensonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-81062410492529709322011-07-18T19:04:45.048-05:002011-07-18T19:04:45.048-05:00That was in response to your first comment. So--n...That was in response to your first comment. So--no atheist gotcha! <br /><br />Can't wait to go to Anne Frank house--I'm really curious what bothers her so much about her mother. Maybe I will find out.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-18567219370968387742011-07-18T19:01:07.611-05:002011-07-18T19:01:07.611-05:00My focus in this post was on the Toronto Star edit...My focus in this post was on the Toronto Star editorial, but you do write--<br /><br />"Sitting all the way at the back, yards from the other girls and more yards from the all-conquering boys. Separated out because they’re so dirty and filthy. Ewwwwww endometrium. Ewwwwwwwwww it might come off on me. Ewwwwwwwwww pollution."<br /><br />I read this as commentary on what the boys feel, at Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-39758515850688501232011-07-18T18:35:00.578-05:002011-07-18T18:35:00.578-05:00Follow-up - there's also
Malick (and all the ...Follow-up - there's also<br /><br /><i>Malick (and all the atheist bloggers) are merely projecting when they suppose that the girls are dying of embarrassment.</i><br /><br />Except that I at least didn't suppose that, so not "all the atheist bloggers" after all. I wonder if the others listed actually supposed that, but I don't care enough to find out.<br /><br /><i>"OhOphelia Bensonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-11896292028781515352011-07-18T18:20:33.984-05:002011-07-18T18:20:33.984-05:00Those poor Muslim girls--they're not allowed t...<i>Those poor Muslim girls--they're not allowed to enjoy menstruation in the same healthy way! That's how everyone reads the picture.</i><br /><br />Is it? That's not how I read it, at least not in the post you link to or any of my comments in reply to other comments there. I didn't talk about that aspect at all.<br /><br />I wasn't pretending I understand <i>what it feels Ophelia Bensonhttp://www.butterfliesandwheels.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-66472041236531852482011-07-18T17:44:59.281-05:002011-07-18T17:44:59.281-05:00Yes, such a tragedy--a wonderful writer, and such ...Yes, such a tragedy--a wonderful writer, and such a delightful person too. I'm so much enjoying reading her, and will have to read some other stuff too--since the diary raises many questions.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-90638646852607198862011-07-18T15:48:52.404-05:002011-07-18T15:48:52.404-05:00In my life as an atheist I once taught for several...In my life as an atheist I once taught for several months at Islamic secondary school in Melbourne. Most of the teenage Moslem girls that I knew there would have been happy to not have to pray for a while and would have enjoyed being together, chatting with others who were having their period at the same time. I also taught Sexual Education and agree with you when you say: "...what you thinkBrett Hetheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05702371494104087763noreply@blogger.com