tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post2652955617717398577..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Temple Grandin on HBOJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-38775693244020440612010-02-27T08:01:46.932-06:002010-02-27T08:01:46.932-06:00I'm wide awake thanks. It sounds like you'...I'm wide awake thanks. It sounds like you've been to abolitionist training camp and you learned your lessons well. I think you're repeating dogmas that cannot be supported empirically.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-91629343132686982452010-02-27T01:05:59.490-06:002010-02-27T01:05:59.490-06:00I don't think Jean makes any sense. TG's ...I don't think Jean makes any sense. TG's designs have not eliminated suffering at all. In fact, I would argue that the suffering is being increased b/c the public is starting to accept factory farming as having a "humane" approach. This is allowing the beef industry to continue with its cruel practices. <br /><br />There is no real "relief" in suffering. You'reAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-10015907513389855702010-02-09T11:20:52.981-06:002010-02-09T11:20:52.981-06:00None of that really makes much sense.
Motives don...None of that really makes much sense.<br /><br />Motives don't matter. When we consider whether reforms are valuable or not, the reasons why they're introduced are immaterial. They can be good whether or not the businesses accepting them do so for altruistic reasons. This is obvious, I think.<br /><br />There is no empirical evidence that animals are being killed in greater numbers as a Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-18471877900876650702010-02-09T10:54:20.292-06:002010-02-09T10:54:20.292-06:00Grandin says in her own words that she has "d...Grandin says in her own words that she has "designed one of the world's most efficient killing machines." <br />I do not dismiss basic reforms, but I believe they come about for economic reasons and not altruistic reasons. <br />More efficiency means cheaper nonhuman animal products.<br />Mcdonalds pays Grandin because they can simultaneously kill more efficiently and get a PR Chris Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-53661328935620012142010-02-08T20:47:32.118-06:002010-02-08T20:47:32.118-06:00Perhaps those claims aren't controversial to y...Perhaps those claims aren't controversial to you because you've heard them so many times in abolitionist circles. To the rest of the world, it's hugely controversial to dismiss basic reforms that reduce the suffering of millions of animals every year. I believe there's a lot of made up nonsense and illogic that goes into that dismissal. I've argued that in many previous posts,Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-84929702506058556262010-02-08T20:14:03.942-06:002010-02-08T20:14:03.942-06:00I am not in any way saying that Grandin should be ...I am not in any way saying that Grandin should be crucified, just that there is absolutely no cause for celebration. I am guessing you disagree. I don't believe I made any controversial statements.Chris Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-75892267172317263932010-02-08T15:09:32.465-06:002010-02-08T15:09:32.465-06:00Chris--Did you cut and paste all that from Gary Fr...Chris--Did you cut and paste all that from Gary Francione's website? It sure sounds familiar. I was actually hoping for thoughtful discussion here, not recitation of chapter and verse.Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-86483945080082092942010-02-08T14:02:13.503-06:002010-02-08T14:02:13.503-06:00What Grandin does is help animal agriculture kill ...What Grandin does is help animal agriculture kill more efficiently with less injuries to the animal carcass and the workers. Less suffering is always better than more, but it in no way moves us closer to animal rights. Designing more efficient slaughterhouses should not be praised by animal rights activists.<br />The changes to slaughterhouses allow companies to make more money and will occur Chris Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-82071551637827457712010-02-07T01:04:37.129-06:002010-02-07T01:04:37.129-06:00I've just come across the following article, w...I've just come across the following article, which may be of interest:<br />"Are Animals Autistic Savants?"<br />http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0060042<br /><br />Melissa: By "creepy" I mean what your average teenager means by the word. (I was referring to what Grandin does, not to how she would come across in person.)Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-12715610416201920432010-02-05T19:15:48.551-06:002010-02-05T19:15:48.551-06:00Wow, That looks very illicit, but it might just wo...Wow, That looks very illicit, but it might just work! (My attempt to nab some free HBO doesn't seem to be panning out.)Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-68371201386546442622010-02-05T18:34:46.058-06:002010-02-05T18:34:46.058-06:00hmmmm Maybe try this instead:
http://www.movieson...hmmmm Maybe try this instead:<br />http://www.moviesonlinex.com/watch-temple-grandin-online/Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627147979307495870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-11199937538562114202010-02-05T18:32:33.075-06:002010-02-05T18:32:33.075-06:00You could also try www.netflix.com That requires ...You could also try www.netflix.com That requires a subscription, but if you already have one, in maybe about a month it'll probably be available for streaming.Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627147979307495870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-16999509920145564772010-02-05T15:23:25.526-06:002010-02-05T15:23:25.526-06:00Taylor states, "I find something disturbing, ...Taylor states, "I find something disturbing, and even creepy, about what she does."<br /><br />No doubt most vegetarians, myself included, find animal slaughter disturbing, yet that unfortunately isn't enough to stop others from eating meat or hunting for sport. Very few of us would be willing -- or able -- to do the work of Temple Grandin. I completely agree with Jean's Melissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-58689828932944403782010-02-05T14:57:24.384-06:002010-02-05T14:57:24.384-06:00The weird thing is that everyone has DVRs these da...The weird thing is that everyone has DVRs these days, so they record onto a hard disk, and there's no portable DVD or video! Grr! Maybe I could go visit somebody. (What, leave my house?)Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-83234773893592390532010-02-05T14:51:45.670-06:002010-02-05T14:51:45.670-06:00Couldn't you ask someone with HBO to record it...Couldn't you ask someone with HBO to record it and then see it in DVD?s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-38621103507909235692010-02-05T14:41:38.924-06:002010-02-05T14:41:38.924-06:00Melissa, Thanks for the suggestion. I'm going ...Melissa, Thanks for the suggestion. I'm going to look into that.<br /><br />Taylor, Thanks for the url. <br /><br />Here's what TG says about meat-eating in "Animals in Translation"--<br /><br /> "If I had my druthers humans would have evolved to be plant eaters, so we wouldn't have to kill other animals for food. But we didn't and I don't see the human race Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-61459454649218338182010-02-05T13:29:02.571-06:002010-02-05T13:29:02.571-06:00I understand the intellectual case you make for we...I understand the intellectual case you make for welfare reforms that ameliorate the conditions under which animals live and die. And while I'm sure Temple Grandin is an admirable person in many ways, I find something disturbing, and even creepy, about what she does.<br /><br />I'm tempted to say she loves animals to death, but perhaps it would be more accurate to say she soothes them to Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-10507439454605618342010-02-05T13:26:35.386-06:002010-02-05T13:26:35.386-06:00http://www.hulu.com/
Lots of TV shows wind up the...http://www.hulu.com/<br /><br />Lots of TV shows wind up there. Don't know much about their business model or if anything from HBO winds up there. <br /><br />I imagine that HBO may push this thing to the web at some point somewhere but it's hard to say.Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-27537035618279566382010-02-05T12:21:33.195-06:002010-02-05T12:21:33.195-06:00I recently called our cable company Comcast and ad...I recently called our cable company Comcast and added HBO so I wouldn't miss this. I'm told I can cancel the HBO at any time and the charges will be pro-rated. It's 19.95 a month, so if we keep it for a week or two it will cost no more than a night out at the movies. Maybe you could do something like that with your cable company?Melissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-85369619895873761002010-02-05T10:58:27.833-06:002010-02-05T10:58:27.833-06:00Which is.....?Which is.....?Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-1075385772036949732010-02-05T10:53:30.983-06:002010-02-05T10:53:30.983-06:00Maybe it will show up on HULU?Maybe it will show up on HULU?Faustnoreply@blogger.com