tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post2626142876862948829..comments2023-10-14T09:40:06.690-05:00Comments on Jean Kazez: Angels or SlugsJean Kazezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00592593002719828153noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-61378721752794290772011-02-26T21:51:24.966-06:002011-02-26T21:51:24.966-06:00Well, if we already have some slugs, and its a cho...Well, if we already have some slugs, and its a choice between more angels, or angels and slugs, then it seems like 1 would be the optimum answer.... 2, and 3 are pretty easily rejected, like you said 2 leads the repugnant conclusion, and 3 just isn't true. <br /><br />I think we can easily reject 4 for the same reasons we reject 3, it just isn't true. Just because slugs have less valueUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10463576549670336687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-31672680489832075662011-02-26T12:24:19.947-06:002011-02-26T12:24:19.947-06:00The above was for Charlie.
Faust, We are not to a...The above was for Charlie.<br /><br />Faust, We are not to assume that the only valuable thing is pleasure. The angels have a lot of that going for them, but much else. They are highly autonomous, super-smart, etc. You can take that into account to any extent you like (or not at all).<br /><br />The #3 people--I don't think they necessarily want to see humans become extinct, but I would Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-8131681031733948022011-02-26T12:03:03.502-06:002011-02-26T12:03:03.502-06:00Well leaving out the "good" slither, the...Well leaving out the "good" slither, the cruicial bit is they ARE enjoying the slither yes? It's the "minimal enjoyment" placeholder just above zero yes? So it's between a world with JUST enjoment level 10 vs a world with enjoyment level 10 + a bunch of enjoyment level 1s. <br /><br />Out of curiosity, since you know the landscape better than I: are the #3 type people Faustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-49514532651087134522011-02-26T10:56:14.410-06:002011-02-26T10:56:14.410-06:00Yes, one of Mulgan's arguments for (1) is that...Yes, one of Mulgan's arguments for (1) is that (2) leads to the repugnant conclusion.<br /><br />Whoops, I shouldn't have called it a "good" slither. I just meant that colloquially. (4) says a mere "good" slither isn't really good--has no real value!<br /><br />Yes, (3) sounds really nutty to me...but a lot of animal rights people seem to seriously believe it. Jean Kazezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06297159994901018071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8310450667755637519.post-27977316750087723542011-02-26T10:34:42.258-06:002011-02-26T10:34:42.258-06:00I feel Parfit lurking..lurking..
I bounce between...I feel Parfit lurking..lurking..<br /><br />I bounce between 1 and 4, I reject 2 and 3. <br /><br />2. Strikes me as the repugnant conclusion 3. Seems like nonsense. <br /><br />I strugle with 4 for this reason: it already contains an assertion of "no value" but I don't think you mean it this way. <br /><br />You've already noted tha "slugs have just enough mental life to Faustnoreply@blogger.com